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Post by paca on Apr 21, 2011 18:41:02 GMT -5
Axellea:"This is where the multi-million dollar PR campaign is going - to shut up Eringer!" Unfortunately I do not think PA and his buddies are really bothered much by Eringer and/or Elsa Caselli. If E.C. is not backed up by actual witnesses or other women having had the same experience with PA nothing will happen. The main media are not into it. That will only change with more people coming forward telling the same or similar stories. But I doubt that very much. the only way to get it more attention would be to ask Karen Mulder about her allegations and if what Caselli says is similar. At least by now we know that her allegations against the elite boss were correct and incidentally that guy also paid for her to be admitted into a special clinic....remember that her first mentioning was at Thierry Ardisson who is a royalist and decided that she was disturbed and to cut her appearance. there was a live audience though and a studio crew. So plenty of witnesses.They did try to cover it up and make her look deranged...she did have problems, but the question is why she had them..
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Post by hibou on Apr 21, 2011 20:21:01 GMT -5
Axellea:"This is where the multi-million dollar PR campaign is going - to shut up Eringer!" Unfortunately I do not think PA and his buddies are really bothered much by Eringer and/or Elsa Caselli. If E.C. is not backed up by actual witnesses or other women having had the same experience with PA nothing will happen. The main media are not into it. That will only change with more people coming forward telling the same or similar stories. But I doubt that very much. the only way to get it more attention would be to ask Karen Mulder about her allegations and if what Caselli says is similar. At least by now we know that her allegations against the elite boss were correct and incidentally that guy also paid for her to be admitted into a special clinic....remember that her first mentioning was at Thierry Ardisson who is a royalist and decided that she was disturbed and to cut her appearance. there was a live audience though and a studio crew. So plenty of witnesses.They did try to cover it up and make her look deranged...she did have problems, but the question is why she had them.. I often wondered about her and whether or not she ended up in a mental institute because she was bi-polar or if she really had all these things happen and every one else told her she was delusional. They should compare stories. Karen Mulder has the fame to bring the story forward and then I think once that happens if it is similar to Elsa's more will come forward. JMO
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Post by axelle on Apr 22, 2011 8:21:14 GMT -5
This question was on Eringer's formspring yesterday and I refer to my earlier post about the run-in with McNamara at Sass Cafe which I will re-post below.... Shermine Sharivar complained in an interview at the beginning of 2006 that she was put up to Albert by Namara reservating a hotel room, but didn't like this idea since he was old enough to be her father and that he was too boring for her, too. Noted. My earlier post: Does anyone recall an incidence on Eringer's blog time back when PA and his friend Michael McNamara got into an "exchange" at Sass Cafe? Seems as PA ignored McNamara and he got mad, threw a glass of wine on him, the bodyguards got into it. But McNamara made some remark about all the women they shared....... I found the link...... www.eringer33.com/2010/09/royal-skuffle.htmlThis was quite a remark to make.....fits with this story.... Read more: royalopinions.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=discussion&action=display&thread=81&page=5#ixzz1KG3Mqww6
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Post by axelle on Apr 22, 2011 10:02:47 GMT -5
Another Eringer question similar to the above:
Your consideration of making/ posting a list of Al's female talent scouts is an excellent idea! This would allow assaulted women to confirm their own experiences with one/several of them or women might extend the list by scouts who remained in the shadow.
Be on the lookout for Robert Munsch.
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Post by pippi on Apr 22, 2011 11:46:39 GMT -5
Axellea:"This is where the multi-million dollar PR campaign is going - to shut up Eringer!" Unfortunately I do not think PA and his buddies are really bothered much by Eringer and/or Elsa Caselli. If E.C. is not backed up by actual witnesses or other women having had the same experience with PA nothing will happen. The main media are not into it. That will only change with more people coming forward telling the same or similar stories. But I doubt that very much. What are you talking about ......he is back blogging
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Post by margarita on Apr 22, 2011 12:25:40 GMT -5
axelle, thanks for your post: "Another Eringer question similar to the above: Your consideration of making/ posting a list of Al's female talent scouts is an excellent idea! This would allow assaulted women to confirm their own experiences with one/several of them or women might extend the list by scouts who remained in the shadow." However ... to make the fact that the Caselli-case was filed really public would maybe encourage woman to come out of the shadow - if there are some who became abused that way by Albert. But IMO it was a very unintelligent step to make Caselli's details public - it gives only food to publicity seeking woman who can read this and then spin a similiar story. We all know that in police investigation they don't do things like that - for good reason. Why did Eringer??? He is too intelligent to not know this. The information of woman claiming now that Albert had abused them and mentioning similiar details will be worth close to zero. That's why making such a list will not bring any light in the dark here. Sorry ;-)
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Post by axelle on Apr 22, 2011 13:55:02 GMT -5
I am going to sit on the sidelines and just watch and see what happens.
Where there is smoke there usually is some sort of fire.
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Post by mrplowfan on Apr 22, 2011 20:12:16 GMT -5
axelle, thanks for your post: "Another Eringer question similar to the above: Your consideration of making/ posting a list of Al's female talent scouts is an excellent idea! This would allow assaulted women to confirm their own experiences with one/several of them or women might extend the list by scouts who remained in the shadow." However ... to make the fact that the Caselli-case was filed really public would maybe encourage woman to come out of the shadow - if there are some who became abused that way by Albert. But IMO it was a very unintelligent step to make Caselli's details public - it gives only food to publicity seeking woman who can read this and then spin a similiar story. We all know that in police investigation they don't do things like that - for good reason. Why did Eringer??? He is too intelligent to not know this. The information of woman claiming now that Albert had abused them and mentioning similiar details will be worth close to zero. That's why making such a list will not bring any light in the dark here. Sorry ;-) Actually, the police often publicize rape and sexual abuse cases and details and encourage other "victims to come forward." It has no bearing on the outcome of the case or the victim's story. It's a very common tactic for the police and the prosecutor to find more "proof." The reason behind the police doing this is because one person's bravery often sparks someone else to do the same to protect anyone else from being a victim.
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Post by margarita on Apr 23, 2011 3:30:21 GMT -5
Maybe different polices have different tactics. At least in Germany they publish some details but not the entire text
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Post by pippi on Apr 23, 2011 4:22:36 GMT -5
Margarita, you have to study his style in the public and the Monaquesqian thinking.
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Post by margarita on Apr 23, 2011 6:56:30 GMT -5
pippi, I'll try
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Post by axelle on Apr 26, 2011 10:06:13 GMT -5
Eringer posted another curious question:
De Massy: Is the mentioned [Steven] Saltzman the same one who bragged about having a sex video of Prince Albert? I've heard he's good friends with Lacoste.
Yes x 2.
Don't know if this is a good place to post that...but Eringer spoke about the alleged sex tape before...Hey I just found madame concorde's recent photos and posted this over there......
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Post by whitelilies2 on Apr 26, 2011 13:13:37 GMT -5
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Post by MyAdia on Apr 26, 2011 13:48:12 GMT -5
Her profile states that she got her BA in Economics from Smith College in 1982 - so she's too old to be his daughter. She is the co-owner of Top Marques and Stephen Saltzman is also listed as an owner, so they are definitely related in some manner - either sis/bro or husband/wife. Based on her education and work experienced, she definitely doesn't seem the type to be friends with dumb-as-a-rock Conlene.
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Post by whitelilies2 on Apr 26, 2011 18:52:21 GMT -5
Thank you for the clarification And I doubt that she might be a friend to Charleen But knowing how Albert is keeping his "frienemy" close to him, I would not be surprise if they are not playing the game too.
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Post by axelle on Apr 27, 2011 7:08:13 GMT -5
Good call! But likely to tow the line with Conlene.....
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Post by MyAdia on Apr 27, 2011 7:33:59 GMT -5
There's a comment that Elsa makes in the retelling of her story that really bothered me since I first read it. Elsa says, "My mind felt drugged, but I said no, and refused to play their sick games anymore." Perhaps I am over analyzing this, but Elsa's statement "I refuse to play their sick games anymore" implies to me that she was going along at one time - for whatever the reason. Read the entire excerpt again where she speaks of this. In her retelling to Eringer below, there's no indication that she was playing along, actually the alleged rape occurred after she refused and then fell asleep. So, why would she say I refuse to play their games anymore. There seems to be something that she is not telling. Maybe she felt trapped and decided to go along with it but, after the rape/sex (you decide), she decided sucking Albert's penis was too much for her. I just don't know, the wording of her statement really leaves doubts for me. What do you think about that particular statement? Excerpt of Elsa's story from this post"The Prince arrived forty-five minutes later and the boat left the port. As the boat departed Monaco's harbor, I suddenly felt a terrible feeling, like I had no escape.
"Francesco and Albert forcefully took off my tee-shirt and my shorts. I was horrified. Albert then went downstairs and Francesco led me down to him and said to me, 'You stay here,' meaning with Albert.
"Albert and I had met once before only, at a reception in Cannes. He had told me that he might be able to help me with a children's book I was illustrating, and that's why I agreed to join the boating party, at Francesco Bongiovanni's invitation.
"Albert was sitting a few feet from me on a sofa. He did not say anything, but looked at me, and tapped his lips with his right index finger. I said, 'What do you want?' Albert said nothing, but continued to tap his lips, like I was supposed to move over and kiss him. 'Don't you want to talk?' I asked. He still would not answer. I felt very frightened, and in fear of my life.
"Then Albert violently embraced me on the sofa. I could not move. He was very violent with me. I was underneath him. He pushed my head, I was blocked. And then without a word he left me alone on the sofa."
"Later, when I woke up, he was on me, having sex with me, and Bongiovanni was watching, and excited by what was happening. Afterwards, Albert said, 'Suck me now,' in front of Bongiovanni. My mind felt drugged, but I said no, and refused to play their sick games anymore.
"Later, another girl arrived on the boat, and Albert embraced her the same as he had me.
"At this point, I understood very well that I had been victimized--and that others would be, too.
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Post by axelle on Apr 27, 2011 7:46:10 GMT -5
Anymore is a very key word there. Yes implies precedence....
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Post by hibou on Apr 27, 2011 7:55:24 GMT -5
I think you're right MyAdia, she's holding back on something, but what. I think this girl was in fear, like a deer in headlights. Being on a yacht in the middle of nowhere probably made her feel trapped. I think there was an assumption that this girl could be "played". Given her economic circumstances who would believe her? Something is not right about this whole situation. Had I not been following Albert's behavior so closely for five years, I probably would have thought she was delusional, but the yacht girl photos and the look on Albert's face with these young girls sent a chill down my spine the day I saw them. So to me, it's very possible she's telling the truth. JMO
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Post by margarita on Apr 27, 2011 8:15:17 GMT -5
I remember to have seen some yacht girl photo back then on TRF (where I was lurking in). But I can't remember when and have no access to the archive. Can anyone please re-post these pics - if possible? Would be good to have them in this context. Thanks
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