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Post by paca on Oct 13, 2014 15:41:33 GMT -5
well, trashy may be pregnant, but PM has succeded to get their case with regards to Alex rejuged in France. And it is the French government who asked for this specifically. So not only is the pregnancy entirely overshadowed by Kate, but now also by the aftermath of his wild oats. That must have her spewing... the European court has ruled previously that the French state did not have the right to comdemn PM looks like ultimately he won't be getting away with sueing everyone for no good reason. Judges do not like to have their verdicts overturned, so in future it will be much harder for him to control what is and is not reported in the media... www.monacomatin.mc/france/enfant-secret-du-prince-albert-la-cedh-renvoie-laffaire-devant-la-grande-chambre.1942848.html
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Post by hibou on Oct 13, 2014 16:23:45 GMT -5
I'm betting one is boy and the other is a girl if they are truly designer babies. They will need to find a new way to keep poor Grace alive and naming a little girl after her grandmother will give then renewed PR. This way Albert can stop writing sappy articles about his Mother. It does her no justice, and leaves her never resting in peace. JMO. with IVF they don't know which will take, if it takes. So to make sure for an heir they surely have used onle male DNA. They were surely counting on her having to go for round 2 and might have considered that the 2nd time a girl is an option, but first round he wants a male heir to get that out of the way. Now they don't have to go round 2. If they do, I wouldn't be surprised if they cloned Grace. Obviously illegal, but so is chosing your baby for gender. My money is on 2 boys. But we will see... Two boys will be interesting since only one will be the heir. I bet the spare will not be a happy camper, and if not handled correctly Monaco could end up with a lot more of intrigue over the years -- more so than when Rainier's sister tried to stage a coup.
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Post by axelle on Oct 13, 2014 16:52:10 GMT -5
Sounds like a fabrication to me - all this detail and he isn't with her at the sonogram!! Not buying that.....plus that doc can do all the things we think she has had done.......hmmm.. I'm waiting for him to get caught in an affair. We know he's never stopped seeing other women. If he does, Charlene will then become a martyr. Oh God let's not hope for that one! JMO. My thoughts exactly - can't see him breaking his old habits!
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Post by paca on Oct 14, 2014 7:10:31 GMT -5
according to Bunte they have been in the US for the past 3 weeks. Well, for Albert we know it is not quite true as he popped over to MC, but she was there. So my guess is that she went from NY straight to LA. If she is using a surrogate then my guess is that it happened in LA because that's where she has frequently travelled with her bro. not buying their we are so in love PR show though. I think it is fairly possible that we will be hearing soon of a birth in the US and then they will be keeping them in the US for a few weeks as cover up... www.bunte.de/monaco/charlene-von-monaco-anhaenglich-wie-nie-105425.html
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Post by emmeline on Oct 14, 2014 7:39:00 GMT -5
I was beginning to suspect that if there's a surrogate, she is in the U.S. She has been there for too much. If there's a birth in the U.S then it's a definately a surrogate.
Wonder how would they do it? Make it public that she gave birth there or keep it a secret and take the babies to Monaco and keep the show going?
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Post by paca on Oct 14, 2014 8:20:28 GMT -5
that's what I think. If it is in the US then it will be a surrogate. They will have sth about premature delivery and keep them in the US for some time. There will be no pics until they are all in the palace in MC. By then the kids will have grown and you won't be able to tell if they were really premature. My guess is that this whole US charade may be part of a cover up and that, if they are using a surrogate, she was way into the pregnancy when the announcement came. I think Albert would quite like it if the babies were born before National Holiday. I think there will be a c-section, which I believe in the US is fairly common and that way they can warrant for a long stay in hospital. Also they will claim that the babies will need to stay in hospital for a while. Added drama and thus added media coverage. You will not be seeing any pics shortly after the birth of trashy as you just can't fake that. And obviously not of the babies either. That IMO is how they would cover things up with a US surrogate, who will be extremely well paid as will the doctors, nurses etc.
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Post by margarita on Oct 15, 2014 1:39:37 GMT -5
that's what I think. If it is in the US then it will be a surrogate. They will have sth about premature delivery and keep them in the US for some time. There will be no pics until they are all in the palace in MC. By then the kids will have grown and you won't be able to tell if they were really premature. My guess is that this whole US charade may be part of a cover up and that, if they are using a surrogate, she was way into the pregnancy when the announcement came. I think Albert would quite like it if the babies were born before National Holiday. I think there will be a c-section, which I believe in the US is fairly common and that way they can warrant for a long stay in hospital. Also they will claim that the babies will need to stay in hospital for a while. Added drama and thus added media coverage. You will not be seeing any pics shortly after the birth of trashy as you just can't fake that. And obviously not of the babies either. That IMO is how they would cover things up with a US surrogate, who will be extremely well paid as will the doctors, nurses etc. 100% with you, Paca!! Maybe there are two surrogate-mothers who became pregnant more or less at the same time? That's why it will be twins. Something is fishy about this whole pregnancy and twice as fishy now that they confirmed that it will be twins. I really can't believe that a woman who is really pregnant -with twins!- is flying at this state of pregnancy from Monaco to the States (and back Close to the due-date), stays there for so long and keeps attending events on an almost daily basis. No swollen feets, not a single day of feeling weak or sick, she's hopping around feeling great and keeps smiling at the cameras every day. I don't wish anyone sickness - but I simply don't believe that at this state of pregnancy -with twins!!!- a mother-to-be is able to behave like this. They say she is due in December. They don't say when - or did I miss something? So it might be from 6 to 10 weeks from now. Assuming that twins use to be born before the due-date she should be "home" in Monaco and prepare for birth. That's what a normal and really pregnant woman would do, I think. Considering of how unborn-child-friendly her body should be after all the swimming (hormones, doping?) and the plastic surgery and toxic botox. And considering that she is about to give birth to the heir. If she is not mature enough to understand that she is responsible for the life and health of -two!- children - then why the doctors from Monaco, why no one from the Palace doesn't stop her???
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Post by paca on Oct 15, 2014 5:29:30 GMT -5
I had mine a month early and I can tell you that it was extremely tiring. I had it confirmed by other twin mums who had had more children previously. Twins are heavier and more exhausting. Especially the nearer you get to the end. So in summer she should have been fine, if she wasn't sick like me, though I wasn't sick the entire day. It was just not predictable... anyways to the end an evening out, would have meant for me to stay in bed the entire day after due to exhaustion, sometimes 2. So the way she does suddenly things she didn't do earlier is rather odd. Ok Mary was fairly busy during her twin pregnancy, but to the end, she wasn't seen either. And she didn't go travelling.
As to the botox, she is still doing it. Even Kidman stopped during her pregnancy. But trashy is still at it. that is rather careless if she really is pregnant herself...
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Post by smt on Oct 15, 2014 10:51:57 GMT -5
that's what I think. If it is in the US then it will be a surrogate. They will have sth about premature delivery and keep them in the US for some time. There will be no pics until they are all in the palace in MC. By then the kids will have grown and you won't be able to tell if they were really premature. My guess is that this whole US charade may be part of a cover up and that, if they are using a surrogate, she was way into the pregnancy when the announcement came. I think Albert would quite like it if the babies were born before National Holiday. I think there will be a c-section, which I believe in the US is fairly common and that way they can warrant for a long stay in hospital. Also they will claim that the babies will need to stay in hospital for a while. Added drama and thus added media coverage. You will not be seeing any pics shortly after the birth of trashy as you just can't fake that. And obviously not of the babies either. That IMO is how they would cover things up with a US surrogate, who will be extremely well paid as will the doctors, nurses etc. 100% with you, Paca!! Maybe there are two surrogate-mothers who became pregnant more or less at the same time? That's why it will be twins. Something is fishy about this whole pregnancy and twice as fishy now that they confirmed that it will be twins. I really can't believe that a woman who is really pregnant -with twins!- is flying at this state of pregnancy from Monaco to the States (and back Close to the due-date), stays there for so long and keeps attending events on an almost daily basis. No swollen feets, not a single day of feeling weak or sick, she's hopping around feeling great and keeps smiling at the cameras every day. I don't wish anyone sickness - but I simply don't believe that at this state of pregnancy -with twins!!!- a mother-to-be is able to behave like this. They say she is due in December. They don't say when - or did I miss something? So it might be from 6 to 10 weeks from now. Assuming that twins use to be born before the due-date she should be "home" in Monaco and prepare for birth. That's what a normal and really pregnant woman would do, I think. Considering of how unborn-child-friendly her body should be after all the swimming (hormones, doping?) and the plastic surgery and toxic botox. And considering that she is about to give birth to the heir. If she is not mature enough to understand that she is responsible for the life and health of -two!- children - then why the doctors from Monaco, why no one from the Palace doesn't stop her??? Yes, I'm on board with this story -- if only because her ever changing size and the fact that a woman six months pregnant with twins has been traveling so far from her so-called-home base. God these two are so exhausting (and by two I mean Fat Al and Trampy)
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Post by paca on Oct 15, 2014 11:28:48 GMT -5
I don't think it would be 2 surrogates though. That would be pretty difficult to handle besides they would have to keep 2 moms quiet and need 2 medical teams. IMO too risky. though I think eventually it would get out, but I suppose that they will have trashy tell her sob story of the pressure she has been under etc etc. The lying wouldn't make her more popular though. Another possibility is that they had her and a surrogate treated with IVF and both of them will have a c section. In that case of course the one she would be giving birth to is the heir, the other would find itself in the same category as Jazmin and Alex. in that case given her size, her bump is normal. So lets see where she will be giving birth and when...
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Post by taz on Oct 15, 2014 11:56:12 GMT -5
www.gala.de/royals/allgemein/fuerstin-charlene-glamouroeses-adieu_1160543.html?showVeeseo=1&utm_expid=69026463-5.P9dyZJsYTPWJnSxuxqMlCw.1Gala says that the PGA was the last engagement for CC and that she'll return to Monaco. The birth will take place in the 3rd week of December (so between the 15th and 21st) at the Centre Hospitalier Princesse Grace and her doctor is Professor Alain Treisser. He's a specialist for high-risk pregnancies and was also Angelina Jolie's doctor when she had her twins. Gala claims they got information that CC has already prepared the baby rooms, a baby care room and two rooms for the nannies in the west part of the palace. Could it be that in reality CC is not due in December but January or even February and that a C-section is planned for December?! The twins would be born prematurely anyway and so maybe it was decided that they should be Christmas babies (kill two birds with one stone). I mean how do they know that it's the 3rd week in December and not the first or second?! Ok, it could just be a story made up by Gala but I don't think so. If CC really got pregnant in April/May and it was announced in May than she's now just 5/6 and not 7 months pregnant. Her belly is small anyway but it could be. So the pregnancy was more or less announced right away. And the most important thing: CC was in L.A. at the end of April (for IVF of course the charity stuff was just distraction) and she told her dad that she was pregnant at the Grand Prix. IMO it all fits.
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Post by taz on Oct 15, 2014 14:22:43 GMT -5
I don't think there's a surrogate. Especially if CC gives birth in Monaco it will come out immediately. It will be a huge scandal and there will be dynastic problems: people will want paternity tests of PA and CC as according to the law both of them have to be the parents of the heir etc. IMO this could cost PA and even the Grimaldis the throne, don't you think? And why use a surrogate when CC can get pregnant? It's now twins because of IVF but even one baby would be enough and with IVF they would make sure that it's a boy. But even a girl would be ok in the end... I don't think they went for twins it just happened... IMO with this CC is out of the woods. Didn't her contract say 5 years of marriage and two kids? On the other hand I can imagine them going for a girl/girls in 1 or 2 years. PA once said in an interview he wanted two boys and two girls. Well, we'll see...
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Post by tops on Oct 15, 2014 19:07:42 GMT -5
I don't think there's a surrogate. Especially if CC gives birth in Monaco it will come out immediately. It will be a huge scandal and there will be dynastic problems: people will want paternity tests of PA and CC as according to the law both of them have to be the parents of the heir etc. IMO this could cost PA and even the Grimaldis the throne, don't you think? And why use a surrogate when CC can get pregnant? It's now twins because of IVF but even one baby would be enough and with IVF they would make sure that it's a boy. But even a girl would be ok in the end... I don't think they went for twins it just happened... IMO with this CC is out of the woods. Didn't her contract say 5 years of marriage and two kids? On the other hand I can imagine them going for a girl/girls in 1 or 2 years. PA once said in an interview he wanted two boys and two girls. Well, we'll see... so someone has access to the contract?
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Post by taz on Oct 16, 2014 7:08:51 GMT -5
so someone has access to the contract? There were rumors around the wedding that there's a marriage contract that CC has to stay married for 5 years and give birth to two kids before she's allowed to divorce or something like that. We don't have proof that this is really true though... IMO it's more than likely that there is a contract because royal families and the rich in general have always contracts to make sure that the ex-partner doesn't run away with all the money and the kids. Apart from that if PA is clever he makes sure that CC won't talk after a divorce.
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Post by paca on Oct 16, 2014 7:17:06 GMT -5
www.gala.de/royals/allgemein/fuerstin-charlene-glamouroeses-adieu_1160543.html?showVeeseo=1&utm_expid=69026463-5.P9dyZJsYTPWJnSxuxqMlCw.1Gala says that the PGA was the last engagement for CC and that she'll return to Monaco. The birth will take place in the 3rd week of December (so between the 15th and 21st) at the Centre Hospitalier Princesse Grace and her doctor is Professor Alain Treisser. He's a specialist for high-risk pregnancies and was also Angelina Jolie's doctor when she had her twins. Gala claims they got information that CC has already prepared the baby rooms, a baby care room and two rooms for the nannies in the west part of the palace. Could it be that in reality CC is not due in December but January or even February and that a C-section is planned for December?! The twins would be born prematurely anyway and so maybe it was decided that they should be Christmas babies (kill two birds with one stone). I mean how do they know that it's the 3rd week in December and not the first or second?! Ok, it could just be a story made up by Gala but I don't think so. If CC really got pregnant in April/May and it was announced in May than she's now just 5/6 and not 7 months pregnant. Her belly is small anyway but it could be. So the pregnancy was more or less announced right away. And the most important thing: CC was in L.A. at the end of April (for IVF of course the charity stuff was just distraction) and she told her dad that she was pregnant at the Grand Prix. IMO it all fits. why would they get a doctor from Lenval if she gives birth in the CHPG, because that is where Brangelina gave birth? Herr Doctor was Dr Sussmann, not Treissler www.jewishjournal.com/hollywood_jew/article/tales_from_the_crib_jolies_jewish_ob_gyn_speaks_20080715/These people have no idea how that hospital and MC works. Unless he is already affiliated, there will be a lot of resentment. The birth is done by the head of the maternity ward. That was the case with Steph and Caro (Dr Harden) and I believe with Charlotte. They will have 2 pediatricians there and, depending on the time, possibly a neo nat team. They have a neonat in CHPG these days too, but they used to work with l'Arche in Nice. Their head of department came with 2 teams to get my kids, which is why Dr Harden was there too with his assistants although the actual birth was done by 2 surgeons and one doctor. Pretty crowded delivery room it was with all those nurses, pediatricians from CHPG, l'Arche, Neo nat teams, midwives etc. anyways, with twins you can't set a date. If there is a problem, they go for c section straight away and that's what they will be doing here too. How do you know the due date? easy with IVF and if you conceive naturally if you don't have unprotected sex regularly. Other then that it's the same as with every woman: last period and take it from there... It is possible though that she just about got pregnant and that the due date is later and they have given the date most likely with twins. Obviously the longer they are kept inside the better, but 8 month is not considered premature birth with twins. So she can deliver anytime from 7 months without major risks. My kids were due in March and my doctor was surprised that I was still pregnant at xmas. As I am short, he expected me to deliver way earlier. They were born in February, but I never had early labour, so if the doctor hadn't made that miscalculation, they could have been born at their due date. I probably would have hated an extra 4 weeks though, all considered... So anyways, yes, I think they might have muddled with the date, which explains the small bump, and no Treissler is not the doctor Brangelina used. They are both Jewish though.
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Post by paca on Oct 16, 2014 7:20:18 GMT -5
so someone has access to the contract? There were rumors around the wedding that there's a marriage contract that CC has to stay married for 5 years and give birth to two kids before she's allowed to divorce or something like that. We don't have proof that this is really true though... IMO it's more than likely that there is a contract because royal families and the rich in general have always contracts to make sure that the ex-partner doesn't run away with all the money and the kids. Apart from that if PA is clever he makes sure that CC won't talk after a divorce. there was the article about the marriage blanche with 5 years, 2 kids via IVF. And I think there was a bonus for boys.... It pretty much fits, except they wanted a more prominent woman.
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Post by MadameConcorde on Oct 16, 2014 13:16:48 GMT -5
I am not sure if this was posted. I haven't looked at the rest of the forums. Charlene gave an interview to Paris Match saying her pregnancy is "magic" it's an "adventure" and she is feeling "extremely well" Charlene de Monaco, enceinte, confie les 'incroyables émotions' de sa grossesse "Une aventure à part entière", dit-elle, et plutôt deux fois qu'une, d'ailleurs : enceinte de jumeaux dont la naissance est prévue pour le mois de décembre (le prince Albert s'y prépare déjà activement !), la princesse Charlene de Monaco, 36 ans, se sent toujours "extrêmement bien", comme elle le confiait laconiquement fin septembre en marge de son séjour à New York. Si bien même qu'elle ose enfin livrer, au terme de quelques semaines trépidantes (la tempête après le calme...), ses impressions sur la grossesse. "Magique", "extraordinaire"... Les mots qu'elle emploie pour répondre à Paris Match en disent long sur son bonheur présent et à venir. Les "sentiments si forts, si intenses" de Charlene read more here: fr.news.yahoo.com/charlene-monaco-enceinte-confie-incroyables-%C3%A9motions-grossesse-153900754.htmlGulp!
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Post by taz on Oct 16, 2014 14:50:57 GMT -5
why would they get a doctor from Lenval if she gives birth in the CHPG, because that is where Brangelina gave birth? Herr Doctor was Dr Sussmann, not Treissler www.jewishjournal.com/hollywood_jew/article/tales_from_the_crib_jolies_jewish_ob_gyn_speaks_20080715/These people have no idea how that hospital and MC works. Unless he is already affiliated, there will be a lot of resentment. The birth is done by the head of the maternity ward. That was the case with Steph and Caro (Dr Harden) and I believe with Charlotte. They will have 2 pediatricians there and, depending on the time, possibly a neo nat team. They have a neonat in CHPG these days too, but they used to work with l'Arche in Nice. Their head of department came with 2 teams to get my kids, which is why Dr Harden was there too with his assistants although the actual birth was done by 2 surgeons and one doctor. Pretty crowded delivery room it was with all those nurses, pediatricians from CHPG, l'Arche, Neo nat teams, midwives etc. anyways, with twins you can't set a date. If there is a problem, they go for c section straight away and that's what they will be doing here too. How do you know the due date? easy with IVF and if you conceive naturally if you don't have unprotected sex regularly. Other then that it's the same as with every woman: last period and take it from there... It is possible though that she just about got pregnant and that the due date is later and they have given the date most likely with twins. Obviously the longer they are kept inside the better, but 8 month is not considered premature birth with twins. So she can deliver anytime from 7 months without major risks. My kids were due in March and my doctor was surprised that I was still pregnant at xmas. As I am short, he expected me to deliver way earlier. They were born in February, but I never had early labour, so if the doctor hadn't made that miscalculation, they could have been born at their due date. I probably would have hated an extra 4 weeks though, all considered... So anyways, yes, I think they might have muddled with the date, which explains the small bump, and no Treissler is not the doctor Brangelina used. They are both Jewish though. I think Gala mixed it all up, Paca. At first Jolie wanted to give birth at the CHPG but they didn't give in to her ridiculous demands. She is even said to met PA to get her wish but it didn't work. And as it was too late for her to fly back to the US she was more or less "forced" to go to Lenval. They apparently did what she wanted. www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1031946/Brangelinas-11m-bump-How-couple-planning-turn-twins-lucrative-newborns-ever.htmlSo at first it seems that Alain Treisser was her doctor then as she changed the hospital Sussmann became her doctor. Although I wonder why it was Treisser at first and not Hubert Harden (is this the Harden you mean, Paca?) as he was the head of the maternity ward back than, wasn't he? Apparently Harden retired at the end of last year ( cloud.gouv.mc/Dataweb/jourmon.nsf/0/cbd8e82b60154198c1257c6900534489/$FILE/JO8157%20TABLEAU%20ORDRE%20MEDECINS.pdf - page 6, 044A) so it could be that he was at the birth of Raphael. Now Treisser is both the head of gynecology and of the maternity ward. So it makes sense that he's CC's doctor. www.chpg.mc/fr/listing-des-specialites/specialite-medicale/maternite-obstetriqueBTW IMO it was good that they didn't give in to Jolie's demands. It would have been good PR for Monaco though but nevertheless... Who do these Hollywood stars think they are?! Blocking half of the hospital, coming in with an army of bodyguards and medical team, renovating the delivery room etc. My God, you are getting a baby you're not moving into a new home!
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Post by paca on Oct 16, 2014 15:51:27 GMT -5
Treisser was never her doctor. She only visited once. She was then staying somewhere in Grasse, discretely visited by her doctor. Actually I think they wanted France all along, due to her mom being French.
As to Harden he retired a few years back. I don't remember how long Treisser has been there, but it wasn't that long after my kids were born. He was close to retirement when I was there. Remember he delivered Charlotte, Andrea, Pierre and Stephs kids. And he wasn't that young then, being the chief of department. They also had the head of pediatrics Dr Mureaux replaced since my kids and that one was experienced in neo nat as well, if I remember and had a small neo nat installed. I have to say though, that I'd rather have doctors look after my kids that have more cases regularly and thus more experience. Lenval didn't have a good rep as they had a few cases of undetected meningitis with dead babies followed. But these days they are joined with l' Archet and specialized in kids, so there are no more kids treated in l'archet. L'archet, I believe it's the one Pastor got killed, seemed pretty good, well organized, efficent. I was transferred there once due to CHPG being full after my ex dropped my son on the head as a todler. It's just not so easy to get to, if you don't own a car. And it doesn't have the view of Lenval or CHPG. Still in my limited experience I found l'archet to be the more trustworthy hospital. It's big, but people seemed competent. Also when I rang the neonat for info on my kids, they were always extremely nice and I received thorough information. I regretted not to have insisted to be transferred there. At least I could have been with my kids while they were in neo nat. Probably would have received counselling too as that is a standard in large hospitals, but not in MC.
And yes I do believe that Charlotte had Raphael with Treisser. That is just standard. Maternity and gynecology have always been synonymus at the CHPG. I think there was some bickereing about where to install the neo nat, whether in the maternity or pediatrics. But I believe it's affiliated with the pediatrics and rightfully so. Especially since they offer the mothers to stay with their kids. In every kids room they had a bed for a parent to stay. I always liked the pediatrics there. they had the nicer staff too. Quite a different attitude to the patients and their parents.
CHPG couldn't have possibly taken Brangelina as it would have completely shut down the ward. it's not that big. I think they were fairly unhappy about her not having them in MC though. I thought it was all pretty ridiculous at the time.
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Post by agentf on Oct 17, 2014 17:43:43 GMT -5
But that's just the thing: could she really get pregnant? Her athletic training, steroids, physiognomy etc combined with the conflicting schedules for a natural conception. I could go on. I think the Palace would knowits way around a DNA test. It's Monaco!! The DNA test results are probably right now in some fridge next to the rest of the frozen stuff. I don't think there's a surrogate. Especially if CC gives birth in Monaco it will come out immediately. It will be a huge scandal and there will be dynastic problems: people will want paternity tests of PA and CC as according to the law both of them have to be the parents of the heir etc. IMO this could cost PA and even the Grimaldis the throne, don't you think? And why use a surrogate when CC can get pregnant? It's now twins because of IVF but even one baby would be enough and with IVF they would make sure that it's a boy. But even a girl would be ok in the end... I don't think they went for twins it just happened... IMO with this CC is out of the woods. Didn't her contract say 5 years of marriage and two kids? On the other hand I can imagine them going for a girl/girls in 1 or 2 years. PA once said in an interview he wanted two boys and two girls. Well, we'll see...
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