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Post by margarita on Dec 13, 2021 18:40:43 GMT -5
Fear you are right Paca.
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Post by margarita on Dec 13, 2021 14:04:41 GMT -5
As to the "surgery gone wrong theory": when was this surgery supposed to have hapoened? We saw pics in S.A. all these past month. Then we saw the Zulu king at the airport when she came back (ok - she was wearing a mask at the airport) and next morning she landed in France.
When she might have been in Dubai?
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Post by margarita on Dec 13, 2021 13:50:54 GMT -5
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Post by margarita on Dec 10, 2021 5:58:11 GMT -5
Here is Tatler prising Charlene - or the image she wanted to create of herself and/ or someone wanted for her to be created - like perfect in any way. perfect mom. perfect princess. perfect wife. perfect perfect www.tatler.com/article/princess-charlene-of-monaco-interview-tatler-cover-starI remember there was a self-dynamic in this media campagne. It was just tooo much praisig and when someone (like us) was questioning Charlene the bew godness and flag ship of Monaco we where called haters. Btw - she didn't oppose then but liked the media coverage. And where are we today? Did this image ever exist as real person in real life? If you compare that article to the other one I posted today (in the Charlene thread) it looks like there are 2 different persons we are talking about.
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Post by margarita on Dec 10, 2021 1:31:22 GMT -5
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Post by margarita on Dec 7, 2021 22:55:27 GMT -5
Well, her dad said where they were. Home. Protecting her from them. If only. The only bubble they wanted was the one in the champagne Albert ordered for that wedding. I always thought that they seemed rather uncaring. Also I think that once she secured the gravy train by giving birth to the heirs, they felt save enough to go back to SA. I still think that Mikes remark thank god she is back in MC says everything. they don't want her in SA, they need her to be in MC. All of them. That is why suddenly the Wittstocks are front and center in family photo ops. They are not on her side, they are protecting their lifestyle and their own interests. And she is too daft to see it. Agree 100%.
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Post by margarita on Dec 7, 2021 22:51:50 GMT -5
Thanks for finding this! Basically agree - just that Grace had a real career before becoming POM. She might have stayed an actress. She was a person on her own. Unlike Charlene - she even did not qualify for the next Olymic games but retired due to a shoulder injury (true or not). Maybe Albert was chosing her for that reason. Everyone told him she was tough (enough for the job?) but she didn't have a career on her own she had to give up in order to become POM. She gave nothing up. She was not competing anymore -regardless of Monaco. But agree on the role of her family. Just read part of the interview of her father again: news.in-24.com/lifestyle/celebrities/209875.htmlAnd then I put it together with the article Paca send - that the whole family was blabbing again. Plus ad it to yesterdays articles I found that all stress how much support Sean and Gareth and their families now support Albert. If you take all of that together - I'm not good in math but - what comes out is that Charlene who was searching the support (like Grace) of allies in her home country but meet the Zulu family - not even her own parents - with a stupid father who still didn't get it and claims that swimming 20 km a day 20 years ago qualifies her to the job as POM and obviously not only trained her in the water back then but even pushed her into the role as POM - is now trying to come out of both roles: daughter of her parents and POM. And all - her father, her brothers and wifes plus Albert have no interest of her comming out. As for her own family - guess it's clear why. And Albert would have been forced to admit that after decades of waiting he picked a total "Griff ins Klo" as we say in German (total failure)- as mother of his children, as mother and First Lady of the country and as wife who was supposed to support him or at least not cause permanent problems. Thats simply the fact. She was never able to perfom in any of these roles. Not even for a period of time. Unlike Grace - who suffered but performed. That's why people have respect for her. And even though she suffered it seems to me that people rather did relate her suffering to Monaco - while in the case of Charlene people rather put it on her initial lack of substance. And here we are again. It was not the substance Grace had that made her suffer. IMO it was what her helped to survive. Hope that Charlene gets help to find her true self and gets out of that and that Albert understands that it was not Monaco in the first line that broke Charlene - but everyone who put her into that role for egoistic reasons, including himself. For herself, himself, the childrens and the countries sake he should be open for any kind of developement now. Including a split. I think it is no coinsidence that her brothers with wifes suddently show so united (and make sure it makes the headlines), that her father is giving an interview and that "sources" make a parallel PR again. Might be that Albert (with help of his family) is close to realize it but Charlene's family want's to keep her in the role.
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Post by margarita on Dec 7, 2021 8:45:28 GMT -5
Paca - big hugs! It reminds me of my mother. You can't understand why it all happened but still need to go on. For the childrens sake and for not giving anyone the triumph of getting you down... Stay strong!! Just found this: europe-cities.com/2021/12/07/charlene-de-monaco-vulnerable-in-south-africa-why-her-parents-did-not-visit-her/Charlenes parents did not visit her during all her time in S.A. - due to corona daddy Wittstock says. Now we have it black on white. And I don't believe it. There are PCR-tests, they might have spend some days in quarantine to repeat a PCR test before visiting her. But the relationship is good daddy Wittstock stated. Can't stop wondering. She could visit Zulu king and do photo ops and her parents did not see her to protect her??? Or themselves? I don't get it. Here basically the same + repeating that according to some close friends she nearly died in S.A. www.google.com/amp/s/bbc724.com/charlene-of-monaco-is-tough-and-lost-a-lot-of-weight-her-father-bbc/%3famp=1o.k. - they regulary talk on the phone but did not notice she was close to death?! Or did not care?
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Post by margarita on Dec 6, 2021 14:02:32 GMT -5
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Post by margarita on Dec 2, 2021 16:50:15 GMT -5
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Post by margarita on Dec 1, 2021 17:01:21 GMT -5
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Post by margarita on Nov 29, 2021 15:37:29 GMT -5
Can you maybe copy paste the article as it wants me to become a member to read it and I am not paying that amount of cash just to read one article. Paca, this morning I could read it without becoming a member for some reason. Now I can't open it without. But I found the german reprint/ translation of that article. www.fr.de/panorama/fuerstin-charlene-monaco-martyrium-ungluecklich-royals-palast-albert-91146980.htmlLEIDENSWEG DER FÜRSTIN Martyrium von Monaco: Fürstin Charlène seit Jahren unglücklich – Neue Details bekannt Von Andreas Apetz Charlène von Monaco wirkte in letzter Zeit sehr betrübt. Angeblich soll die Fürstin schon seit mehreren Jahren unglücklich sein. Monaco – Wie geht es Fürstin Charlène von Monaco? Eine Frage, die sich die Fans des monegassischen Fürstentums seit geraumer Zeit stellen dürften. Denn ihr Privatleben hält die adelige Profischwimmerin weitestgehend von der Öffentlichkeit fern. Lediglich gezielte Ausnahmen veröffentlicht die 43-Jährige auf ihren Accounts der sozialen Netzwerke. Nachdem die Fürstin aufgrund von Operationen zehn Monate lang in Südafrika festsaß, kehrte sie vor Kurzem nach Monaco zurück. „Ein Wiedersehen voller Freude und Emotion“, hieß es damals auf der Facebook-Seite des Palasts. Doch das royale Glück hielt nicht lange an: Schon nach wenigen Wochen verließ die 43-Jährige erneut das Fürstentum. Was ist los mit Fürstin Charlène von Monaco? Tiefgehende Recherchen haben sich mit dem Werdegang Charlènes auseinandergesetzt und offenbaren eine Leidensgeschichte, die im Jahr 2011 beginnen soll – das Hochzeitsjahr, in dem Charlène zur Fürstin wurde. Die Aufarbeitung der Vergangenheit könnte auch erklären, wie es mit dem Leben und der Ehe der 43-Jährigen weitergeht. Fürstin Charlène von Monaco: Offenbar seit Jahren unglücklich Bereits kurze Zeit nach ihrer Rückkehr aus Südafrika verließ Charlène das monegassische Fürstentum wieder. Angeblich habe sich die Fürstin aus gesundheitliche Gründen in eine Schweizer Spezialklinik zurückgezogen. Auch Ehegatte Fürst Albert II. hatte sich zu der schnellen Abreise der Fürstin geäußert: „Sie hatte sich in den letzten Monaten verschiedenen Operationen unterzogen. Das ist sicherlich ein Faktor. [...] Sie litt unter unglaublicher Müdigkeit. Sie hatte die ein paar Tage sehr schlecht geschlafen und wenig gegessen“, sagte Albert im Gespräch mit dem Magazin People. Doch ist das der wahre Grund für ihr schnelles Verschwinden? Schon lange gibt es Gerüchte über die Ehekrise des monegassischen Fürstenpärchens. Dass Charlène schon mehreren Jahren zutiefst unglücklich sei, heißt es immer wieder. Nahestehenden der Royalen Familie sei das seit geraumer Zeit bekannt. Eine Quelle, die sich mit dem US-Nachrichtenportal The Daily Beast in Verbindung gesetzt hat, berichtet von einem traurigen „Lunch“ im Palais Princier in Monaco. Fürstin Charlène hätte während des gesamten Essens leise geschluchzt. „Albert hatte nicht gemerkt, dass seine Frau weint“, erzählt die Quelle, welche offenbar anonym bleiben möchte. Es sei „extrem unangenehm“ gewesen. „Ich konnte nicht verstehen, warum sie nicht einfach aufgestanden und gegangen ist. Ich konnte nur vermuten, dass sie wollte, dass ihr Unglück gesehen wird.“ Charlène von Monaco: Trubel während der Hochzeit mit Fürst Albert II. Begonnen haben soll ihre Leidensgeschichte im Zuge der Hochzeit im Jahr 2011. Kennengelernt hatten sich Charlène und Albert II. bereits im Jahr 2000. Während ihrer Hochzeit soll die frisch gebackene Fürstin den Tränen nahe gewesen sein, berichtet das US-Nachrichtenportal weiter. Nach Freudentränen hätte es jedoch nicht ausgesehen. Auch hierzulande hieß es, Charlène hätte zu Beginn der Hochzeit „angespannt gewirkt“. Gegenüber der britischen Zeitung The Times erklärte die Fürstin ihre Tränen als einen „Mix aus Emotionen, der sich aufbaute“ und während der Hochzeit ausbrach. „Ich war so überwältigt. [...] Und dann habe ich noch mehr geweint, weil ich dachte: ‚Oh nein, die ganze Welt hat mich weinen sehen.‘ Der Palast erwies sich als sehr bestimmend gegenüber ihrem künftigen Familienmitglied: Kurz vor der Trauung soll die Profischwimmerin nach Südafrika gereist sein, um ein Hochzeitskleid anzuprobieren. In der dortigen Botschaft des Fürstentums habe man ihr den Reisepass entzogen und sie dazu gebracht, zurück nach Monaco zu fliegen. Darüber schrieb das französische Blatt Journal du Dimanche. Ähnliches sei wenig später erneut passiert: Wenige Wochen vor der Hochzeit versuchte Charlène erneut nach Südafrika einzureisen, sei aber Flughafen von Nizza abgefangen worden, heißt es in Berichten. Der Palast weist die Geschichte bis heute als „völlig verrückt“ zurück. Charlène von Monaco: Von der Fürsten-Familie wohl nicht akzeptiert Die Jahre nach der Hochzeit waren demnach von unschönen Gerüchten geprägt. Albert II. sei schon immer für seine Frauengeschichten bekannt gewesen, berichtet das US-Nachrichtenportal The Daily Beast weiter. Angeblich habe der Fürst bereits zugegeben, zwei uneheliche Kinder vor seiner Ehe mit Charlène gezeugt zu haben. Mittlerweile stünde ein Vaterschaftsverfahren mit einem dritten Kind aus dem Jahre 2005 an – eine Phase, in der der Fürst gerade mit Charlène Wittstock zusammenkam. Die Gerüchte über das Vaterschaftsverfahren wies Albert II. jedoch als Erpressungsversuch zurück. Weiteren Quellen zufolge sei Charlène nie wirklich von der royalen Familie Monacos akzeptiert worden. Grund wäre der bürgerliche Hintergrund der Fürstin gewesen. Die Familie habe außerdem nichts mit der Schwimmleidenschaft Charlènes anfangen können und besonders von den Schwestern ihres Ehemanns habe die Fürstin kaum Unterstützung erhalten. Caroline, Prinzessin von Hannover und ältere Schwester Alberts, habe Charlène besonders wenig leiden können – und öfter versucht „Zwietracht“ zu sähen, heißt es. Zehn Jahre nach der Hochzeit ist es still um die 43-jährige Fürstin von Monaco geworden. Seit ihrer Pause in Südafrika gibt es nur wenige klare Fakten zu ihrem gesundheitlichen Zustand und ihrem Aufenthaltsort. Die Gerüchte einer potenziellen Scheidung häufen sich. Verschiedene Boulevardmagazine nennen Weihnachten 2021 als Ablaufdatum. Aber nicht, wenn es nach Prinz Albert II. geht. Der versichert, dass alles gut ist und auch die schnelle Abreise der Fürstin kein Grund zur Sorge sei: „Das hat alles nichts mit unserer Beziehung zu tun. Ich möchte das absolut klarstellen. In unserer Beziehung gibt es keine Probleme.“ (aa)“
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Post by margarita on Nov 29, 2021 12:00:07 GMT -5
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Post by margarita on Nov 28, 2021 6:57:46 GMT -5
I just hope he gives her the time she needs and is open to accept any result.
Hopefully the doctors (if she allows) give him honest updates and hopefully he gets help himself - it is a really difficult situation for him and difficult + dangerous for them as a family and especially for the kids. They need support as a family. Hope he realizes that and does not expect the doctors to quickly find out what kind of pills she needs to go back to business as usual.
Could it be he is kind of co-dependent? and still in the phase where he tries to cover things?
It is not only her problem. It was mainly hers before they married and had kids. But now there is a family. And a country. And I really hope that the root will be found and solved. Whatever this will mean. And I hope he finds out why he was chosing her of all woman. There must have been signs much earlier he ignored. Why??
Sure - she was light entertainment and time was running out to find another woman. But why not light entertainment without disorders?
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Post by margarita on Nov 28, 2021 5:04:32 GMT -5
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Post by margarita on Nov 28, 2021 3:56:58 GMT -5
What makes me think Albert is in a kind of shock after Charlene returned and he saw that her (their !) problem is much bigger that he thought it to be (well - we don't know if it was like that but it's an option): a wife or husband with a deep depression or disorder or other serious mental issues is still a partner, wife or husband but like a person with a broken leg in a way. It sounds strange when he states that she needs mental help but at the same time says 'we have no problems as a couple'. It is like saying 'oh my wife has broken both legs but we are dancing really fine'.
Whatever it is has to do with her as his partner and wife too and with her role and life in MC as well. So how can he divide this?
There always is an impact on the relationship if one of the partners has serious mental problems.
Is he closing eyes and fears to see the truth and speak it out - that nobody knows now how things will go on?
Is it the first shock? Or is he closing eyes because speaking out the truth would mean to acknowledge that he contributed to the situation by marrying her.
Its really tragic - he waited so many years and then that 😖.
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Post by margarita on Nov 28, 2021 3:29:16 GMT -5
Just found and read the Guardian article - it's in the Charlene thread - thanks Paca! Well - I don't know sooo many super rich people. From my experience you can say much about the man if you look at the wife. I mean - the kind of wife he has picked. Those with wifes with self-esteem who had a more down-to-earth life earlier, have an education ect. are very different from those with less intelligent less educated wifes. Those with a witty wise wife who has her own opinion, seems balanced in herself ect. are usually much more balanced themselve - regardless on how much money they have. There is emphaty and responsibility for others and joy of life. But I know some - one of them better - who have rather stupid and uneducaded wifes (not every woman without higher education is stupid) plus some kind of brainblond permanent callgirls in addition who only dream of becoming the next Mrs. XY. The one I know for years told me he has an allergy not only on his skin but on life (!). He is hardly trusting someone but sometimes opens up a bit when we can talk under 4 eyes. I think it is because I call silly cows silly cows and tell him things he doesn't want to hear but for some reason askes my opinion whenever he is totally confused. And until now everything I told him was proven true or happened. I think that builded some trust over the years. I am talking the whole day - but always expressing the thoughts of other people. Its ok - thats my job. But although I'm talking nonstop I barely can say a word on my own. A sea of water and no drop to drink 🤪 .It feels like voiceless - it's ironic 🙃 So whenever I'm asked or get the chance to have a word on my own - I'm using it And you can divide the second category of men (with silly wifes) in two under-categories. Those who don't accept being critizised and those who even (sounds strange) kind of enjoy it - maybe because it feels like comming in touch with reality. At least for them I see hope on the horizon.
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Post by margarita on Nov 27, 2021 18:22:29 GMT -5
www.gala.de/royals/monaco/fuerstin-charl%C3%A8ne--albert-spricht-von-privatsphaere--aber-haelt-sich-nicht-daran-22553632.html'Albert is asking to respect privacy but gives interviews sharing privat information. Only he speaks, Charlene is talked about but does not say a word herself.'- Thats the article in short. IMO it was a good decision to finally open up and adress rumors. But its really a little bit strange that he is now giving one interview after the other. And still there is this double PR. I don't really understand whats going on. As to the interview with Bern "she is not incurable ill" ... I really wonder whether he is in a kind of shock, neglecting reality? Realistic is to acknowledge that nobody can predict how the therapy will work.I doubt that even a diagnose is being given yet. Totally agree with every word paca wrote on this. Nobody knows how and where she wants to live on. So how can he say everything will be fine for sure? Is Albert in shock or a spin going on? Why there still are these alternative sources?
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Post by margarita on Nov 22, 2021 7:14:44 GMT -5
Paca - totally agree with you. Lets wait for the update from the Palace.
I'm shocked about the dimension of the problem.
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Post by margarita on Nov 22, 2021 6:14:43 GMT -5
I just googled Albert Monaco - not even Charlene. And what comes out is this.
I don't know whether the CW's connection to that russian man is true - but it is an coincidence that now different souces say that CW turns out to act violently sometimes that this Naomi connection comes up.
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