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Post by margarita on Nov 22, 2021 4:17:08 GMT -5
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Post by margarita on Nov 22, 2021 4:12:46 GMT -5
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Post by margarita on Nov 22, 2021 2:43:57 GMT -5
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Post by margarita on Nov 22, 2021 1:33:47 GMT -5
Paca! Thanks for sharing that!! OMG... this is much worse than ever expected.
Seems to be not a depression "only" but some kind of disorder of personality.
Who knows - maybe when she complained about the intrigues against her at the Palace ect. and her only 2 friends in MC an barely someone she can trust ect.? ... who knows? Maybe it was all in her head and kind of paranoia all the time?
OMG - poor children most of all.
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Post by margarita on Nov 21, 2021 8:43:16 GMT -5
Btw - if you google "Charlene Wittstock education" you find several links to articles and forums stating that she dropped high school for swimming and never finished later.
The official sites don't say either that she ever finished it.
From todays perspective it is interesting to read the forums posts (not in our forum) from back then.
Today there are so many articles with the timeline of her health problems, starting about one year ago. But if one takes a closer look it becomes obvious that already back then something was -let's say - not good.
I know- I'm repeating myself- but the fact that she never learned to learn or did't care or didn't want to or was unable to (even when she was given the chance) is somehow strange.
There never was a time since 2010 or 2011 when she really "performed" as Princess or really worked, tried to catch up education. It was about getting used to the role for all those years from the very start. I mean - a break down due to a hard year or two or as a result of a tragic situation is one thing - but maybe she was simply unable to face life (not Monaco - but life) already back then and would have needed some kind of professional support much earlier because the unability to learn was a symptom of whatever brought her to where she is now?
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Post by margarita on Nov 21, 2021 3:39:26 GMT -5
Agree. And isn't it interesting that Monaco cares for her now while she was complaining all the years that she only has two friends there ect. while all her friends are in S.A.
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Post by margarita on Nov 20, 2021 17:58:29 GMT -5
Let's wait and see. Everything is in the cards right now.
I honestly wish that she gets the impulse she needs and it helps her to find her real self. This might bring them closer together as a couple and enable -both of them - to build a family.
Or she might find out that Albert was the best friend she ever had but her place is close to her children but not in Monaco.
I think that he would be able to support her in both ways - seeing the patience he has for so many years already.
The only thing that had to stop was the farce they lived in until the kobold was called by his name.
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Post by margarita on Nov 20, 2021 16:30:13 GMT -5
margarita A godparent is there mostly until a child reaches maturity, as a plan B should the parents die prematurely. I'm just reading about "separation de corps", a legal disposition. It's everything but a divorce, that can lead to it or to a voluntary reprisal of common life with your mate. I think symbolically this may be key; to let her make the conscious decision to re-enter matrimony. There needs to be a break of some kind, most would agree, and a reset. It's a gamble, but sometimes it's worth it. It's a test of trust. agentf - I know 🙃.But her own parents don't seem to care and so god patents might step in. I really adore Albert and his family - how they stand together and try to help her now. I don't think Monaco or the role as Princess is to blame. I think she would have had the problems 'in real wild nature' much earlier.
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Post by margarita on Nov 20, 2021 15:30:21 GMT -5
If her family put their self-interest ahead of her wellbeing, that's reprehensible. It wouldn't be far-fetched however, given that they all jumped on the gravy train. Albert wanted to head off any misgivings. They're a motley crew to be sure, but I don't think having an intervention was the worst thing. The worst thing is being impaired and having a less than perfect situation on all sides. There must be a more distant relative who is a decent, disinterested person... an aunt? Cousin? Someone to give her the basic regard of her person, without making her have to swallow anything ambiguous? Someone to pull her out of an apparently unbearable dynamic she cannot free herself of? Pity she's not religious, or a priest could have been a good ear. Poor Albert. And poor Charlene - seems like Albert saw the need to make clear to her siblings that it was HER will to get really professional help. Once she already took the decision there would have been no need to get the family together and have her to repeat this in front of them. As to her parents - I wouldn't be surprised if they are behind of covering up her health problems. It must have been clear in Africa already and for many month. Agree that it is impossible to force anyone to get help. But Charlenes family should have given the full picture to Albert and his family. They realized everything only once Charlene was back in Monaco. Agentf - agree. But that decent far relative would have been needed 15 years ago, or 14, or 13 or 12... when she already lived in Monaco WITHOUT working, without learning a profession, without learning the language, without getting at least a bachelor degree or any education. She lived like a call girl of a russian oligarch in an appartment payed by him. So she had someone to pay her for just being there - without using that chance to improve. Not like Coco Chanell but like - just a call girl. No wonder she now has no idea about herself and who she is. My - totally disfunctional but still - family would have grilled me and read me the morals if I lived like that for only 1 month. The self esteem of any decent woman would not have allowed to live like that many years - waiting until a rich Prince proposes ... or maybe not. Here is the source of the problem - many years ago. A good priest should have had an open word with Albert before he proposed. We all saw the lack of substance in her case. It lead straight into substance abuse. I don't wish anyone bad who has mental issues. Many of us had walked through it or will be in a heavy situation some day. But there is always charcter involved and self-responsibility. A really good priest would be ideal - but that means diving deep into your own soul and really work on yourself which can be painful. Maybe the therapy will be a turning point. Hopefully. btw - she converted to catolicism. And was protestant. There should be a god mother. One from back then and one after converting, not?
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Post by margarita on Nov 20, 2021 3:25:19 GMT -5
Poor Albert. And poor Charlene - seems like Albert saw the need to make clear to her siblings that it was HER will to get really professional help. Once she already took the decision there would have been no need to get the family together and have her to repeat this in front of them.
As to her parents - I wouldn't be surprised if they are behind of covering up her health problems. It must have been clear in Africa already and for many month. Agree that it is impossible to force anyone to get help.
But Charlenes family should have given the full picture to Albert and his family.
They realized everything only once Charlene was back in Monaco.
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Post by margarita on Nov 19, 2021 7:43:54 GMT -5
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Post by margarita on Nov 19, 2021 2:23:01 GMT -5
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Post by margarita on Nov 17, 2021 3:04:34 GMT -5
100 % with both of you! Happy she is out of the claws of her parents / brother ect. and hopefully she gets help now.
Lets keep fingers crossed.
Highly likely it was her upbringing (in combination with her genes) that lead her into the role she could never fullfil.
The parents were not aware of what they are doing to her. It's just a pity Albert or his sisters didn't see that 11 years ago and tried to help her otherwise but not make her Princess of Monaco. Or only after a therapy.
Hope no one of the children inherited a predisposition of depression. And that they get help as a family - most of all the kids - how to live with this situation which will last livelong in her case I guess.
It was not a one-time break down due to heavy circumstances (many people have that at least one time in their life) but it seems longer and deeper in her case.
Wishing them strenght and health!
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Post by margarita on Nov 16, 2021 16:33:36 GMT -5
it feels to me like she is on the verge of a nervous breakdown. How skinny she is, how clingy she was with Albert, over eager to prove something to the world. I have been there, so I know how it feels. There comes a point where you just can't do it anymore and in my case, I tried to end my life. It is not a good place to be in. She and everyone around her need to realize that this cannot go on like this. OMG Donna. Thank God you are on your feets again!! Hopefully they will come to the point to understand during the next weeks. Sounds like they are taking a pause to understand and realize for themselfes whats going on and what was the best solution for everyone involved. I like the way the Palace wrote the statement. Wouldn't be surprised if Albert, his family and "the MC company" didn't fully realize what is going on with her until she came back. Thus Albert saying she might attend Dubai with him - shortly before she came back. Hopefully they find a way to help her. And now they will have their own doctors involved. Guess in S.A. it was rather a medical team choosen by the Wittstocks - maybe even to cover things up to keep her going as POM - once they are unable to live from their own hands work and depend on her staying Princess. At this stage it would be really helpful to say clearly whats the matter. Guess thats what they will do shortly before Christmas. There is a German fairy tale: "Rumpelstilzchen". The Princess could get her child back once she found out the name of the kobold who teached her to spin straw to gold (in order to become Princess - btw). Once the kobold was called by his name she had the power on him. (Voldemort alias 'you-know-who' is taken from that I think.) If the burden of the role is too much for her then it could save her to take it from her now. Let her see the kids, let her safe rhinos but take off these expectations. She was never made for that role and everyone with open eyes could have seen that long ago. But also pleeaase - don't send contradicting messages and obvious lies anymore (she has a mouth-nose-throat infection but can't travel by ship, she needs to recover but spends her time for rhinos, photo ops and Zulu struggle - (then please stop her!), there are no marriage problems - but they will live in different places ect.). Name the kobold and free everyone. Please...
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Post by margarita on Nov 16, 2021 12:20:46 GMT -5
Maybe they waited untill she is back in MC? Something tells me things will speed up now.
I was convinced she will be there at National Day (if even shortly).
Now it all goes in another direction.
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Post by margarita on Nov 16, 2021 12:07:08 GMT -5
Agree with you donna - looks like now that she is back they are trying to gain back controll.
The statement sounds like she has some kind of depression.
Maybe they will spin a face saving way out of this mess for everyone.
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Post by margarita on Nov 16, 2021 6:59:39 GMT -5
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Post by margarita on Nov 16, 2021 4:40:07 GMT -5
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Post by margarita on Nov 16, 2021 4:33:36 GMT -5
This "still not clear where in Monavo Charlene is going to live thing" obviously did not amuse the Palace very much. So not very much that Chantell is backpedaling now officially trying to take this back. But that makes it even worse. This article writes that Chantell was not aware she added oil into the fire of crisis-rumors and now tries to take it back trying to safe the image of Charlenes marriage. www.google.com/amp/s/www.nau.ch/amp/people/welt/furstin-charlene-von-monaco-ihre-schwagerin-will-ehe-ruf-retten-66045328Guess that such actions of Chantell and family (approved by Charlene - once Chantell is her official spokes-person) don't contribute to good relations between Charlene and Albert. Now that Charlene is back in MC maybe someone will talk with her about all the PR faux pas her family (and she) caused during the past year - without even being aware of it. Sometimes I wish I was a tiny little mouse and could see and hear that 🤭. But maybe Albert has given the order to let her "rest" and not make her feel uncomfortable. And this woman still wonders why people don't like her???
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Post by margarita on Nov 15, 2021 7:21:19 GMT -5
Found 2 interesting links about Dubai and MC at google page nr. 1 👏👏
Never noticed before because the first few pages at google are usually dominated by other topic(s) 🙄
It might be a nice coinsident (Dubai...?) or someone with brain and heard is reading here.
Posted the links in the other thread ("current events...").
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