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Post by hibou on Sept 16, 2011 10:31:53 GMT -5
After I re-opened the board to visitors, I just received a third warning from Pro Boards about posting copy-righted examples with the example given the image shack links to Emmeline's Lehti Kuva photos. I have never heard of this Finnish agency until Emmeline first posted the Albert and Andrea hiking photos. It was reported to Pro Boards as soon as the photos were posted - so clearly someone who reads us religiously reported it. I highly doubt that Lehti Kuva is going around the Internet and checking imageshack links to see if their photos are posted. There is no need to post photos from Lehti Kuva about the two events that Emmeline posted their photos - these photos are in several other places where posters can view them. So please do not post their photos here or any links to their photos. Can you post this in a headliner at the top so nobody misses it? Also I think from now on we should just post photos as a link. Better safe than sorry. JMO.
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Post by emmeline on Sept 16, 2011 10:49:42 GMT -5
Yep, well, i'll definitely post pics as link. So they are reading us religiously. Hi there idiots!! Things aren't going well in lalaland, right?
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Post by bobolin on Sept 16, 2011 16:36:08 GMT -5
Emmeline, you are so polite! I am soo sorry I didn't say hello to Myadia's biggest fan :-)
People, lets say hello to our little friend!!!
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Post by cm7007 on Sept 16, 2011 19:51:46 GMT -5
It worked for Spain. Look at Letizia. She was Known in Puerto Vallarta (Mexico) as the "Queen of Puerto Vallarta" , she did whatever she wanted in Mexico, she posed naked for a Cuban artist, whom he said he was NEVER going to change his story about her, and was NEVER going to sell her paint. He also said he was contacted by Palace and ask him to change his story. He said he was NEVER going to do that. I don't know how much he was paid, but now he says "he dreamed Letizia like that, he imagined her like that" . Nobody remembers now Letizia IS been married twice. She has have more plastic surgery than Charlene, and everybody ADORES Letizia. Albert and peps must think, it worked for Spain, it works for us. I haven't been able to read anything negative about Letizia in years!! So, yes, IMO Palaces do have people reading blogs, watching tv, listening to radio shows to know how their Royals are seen by the public. If Myadia was hacked, it would not be a surprise to know who did it. I don't think it is just the fans of Charlene, I think is higher than that. Again, I am all for conspiracies :-) JMHO = just my humble opinion, read again, O P I N I O N = freedom of speech :-) Hi bobolin! Well if the Palace PR think they will be able to "FIX" CW's image they are in for an uphill battle ROYALE! I don't know much about Spain and Letizia, but I believe Spain's PR dept. had a lot more to work with when dealing with Letizia's image than Monaco has with CW. I maybe wrong, but I believe Letizia is much, much more intelligent, educated and accomplished in her own right than CW ever was, will be, or can be - ever. That makes a world of difference. Plus, I don't think Letizia was brought out and put up on the world stage for everyone to look at, and pick apart like a monkey in a cage BEFORE she was ready. If she has had a lot of plastic surgeries - she must have had most of them before she was on public display. I only ever noticed her nose job - and if she's had a lot of fillers and Botox, the doctors are doing a good job for her because it isn't obvious or noticeable - unlike CW's. So IMO - Monaco's PR team have a much tougher road ahead than Spain ever had. And unless Letizia or any other woman has literally been a streetwalker or porno star, or made an explicit porno film of herself (like Kim K, or Paris Hilton) - what or who she may or may not have slept with, or posed for, is not all that relevant in today's society. So good luck to you Monaco with your ATTEMPTED make over!
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Post by bobolin on Sept 16, 2011 20:39:52 GMT -5
The prince was very quiet about his relationship with her. He knew (after the previous girlfriends) that they were not going to accept her - being a divorce woman, anti-royalty, family not exactly exemplary, grandmother was in the union ( or grandfather??) , her time in Mexico was wild, studying a Master's that she didn't finish, her posing naked, etc., etc., etc. When he told Spain he was going to marry her, it was too late for them to stop it. They did a lot of surgeries, including fixing teeth, nose, face, etc., once she was a princess. Must agree with you, her Doctors have done an excellent job.
It was very hard for her at the beginning, lost a lot of weight, the country was not happy, the sister commited suicide, the King and Queen were trying to show they were supportive, but some pictures were not nice!! The sisters-in-law, well... you can see the faces and body language, they were not happy!!! But at the end, with all the PR and her work (she did listen to her advisers though), she spent a lot of time with the Queen, she stopped being just in palace doing nothing, having The life, and just showing to the events she wanted; she started working really hard, listening/learning/obeying, so she improved and now she is well accepted and even admired!
Charlene should call Letizia and ask her, how did you do it? What worked for you and what did not? Most likely she is going to say, just follow your man's lead :-) and ask your sisters-in-law, but CW already fired the "adviser" her man had for her, I am not quite sure she is in good terms with the in-laws, and being a con artist/golddigger is not good enough to stay on the top.
As I say, it's not hard to get to the top, what's hard is to stay there. So, Charlene is already there, she really needs to get smart and starts learning, FAST!!
However, I must say, IF she really does NOT speak French, after living there for over 5 years, she is seriously dumb or seriously selfish.
I have to add, I don't think Albert has done his part, as all the princes in the other countries have done. Although, Maxima has a MD and I think a PhD as well, Mary is a lawyer and studied some graduate program. Mette-Marit has not graduated yet, but she has spent years and years taking classes in a couple of Universities and works a lot in charities, etc. Japan is an exemption, with the depression Masako has, who has an exquisite education and MD or PhD. England, well Charles married Camilla, whom is an Aristocrat. William married Catherine, who has a MD. And, Belguim, well, he also married an Aristocrat. So, they know what to do and how to. The rest of the princesses who were commoners before their marriages, they all have a degree and if not (MM) she has been taking classes.
They are really intelligent women and have worked very hard to be accepted and liked!! They have learned the languages of the countries they adopted. They have been humble and they have spoken to their peps. The princes have been by their side, none of them have said (except Charles with Di) : "do you think this is your soulmate? - well... hmmm.... i am not sure .... "
So, basically Charlene has a lot of work to do, and she does not seem to care to do it. Now, this might change when she understands that she either straight up her act, or she will be history!
JMHO :-) Hello spies!!!
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Post by mrplowfan on Sept 16, 2011 20:41:46 GMT -5
For what it's worth, after calming down about it. I do agree with keeping the board open. It's obvious we aren't making this stuff up. My guess is that certain bloggers *cough* and sugars are looking at it as a way to have the board terminated. They couldn't succeed one way, we didn't bite from the PM side so now they go into hiding.
The truth hurts. In this case, Charlene has done her own PR - she did the truly horrid and very "un-royal" Vanity Fair pre wedding shoot. Even Sarah, Duchess of York wouldn't be that Vulgar. Letizia had a CAREER that she EARNED unlike Charlene who immediately stopped work and lived off a sugar daddy. Whatever happened or didn't in Mexico is certainly not ongoing like Charlene is in Monaco. The Spanish would overthrow their King before some stranger came in and redecorated their palace in the way of another country, lived as a fashion slave (IE purchasing expensive clothes while people starved and bragged about it). Not one of the princesses are online with their family trying to shut down boards and demand that photos of themselves not be shown unless they approve.
Monaco has made its own bed. They can lie in it. YES LIE was intentional. Charlene can't even learn the language after 5 years. She's managed to spend them blind and brag about all her jewels and clothes (while Kate Middleton gets all the credit an acclaim for her better taste).
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Post by bobolin on Sept 16, 2011 20:43:01 GMT -5
PS All of that was in response to cm7007. I don't know how to include your comment and then reply to it :-) I am learning ... The first "he" I was talking about Felipe. I know you know, but this clarification is for the "spy" .
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Post by bobolin on Sept 16, 2011 20:49:46 GMT -5
PS 2 IF Albert is trying to help her, in the picture mrplowfan has in his/her profile, you can see she does NOT want him - therefore, she does not want his help. My conclusion would be : she is both, seriously dumb and seriously selfish (read arrogant) .
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Post by mrplowfan on Sept 16, 2011 20:52:19 GMT -5
According to her she's just "stubborn" - she is mistaking poor uneducated judgement (ie stupidity) for a good trait. She burns her bridges, obviously. That does come back to bite you later.
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Post by bobolin on Sept 16, 2011 21:05:25 GMT -5
OOOOPS!! mrplowfan, sorry I just read you are a girl.... i'm sooo sorry!!!
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Post by sandsla on Sept 16, 2011 23:58:14 GMT -5
I doubt people at the Palace are contacting agencies. If they wanted to shut this board down, they'd get their lawyers to contact ProBoards and claim defamation or libel. This is probably just one of the sugarboards trying to make trouble for RO. You can't just "claim" defamation and libel...you have to prove it--they are very specific things, and easily recognizable if you know the law. I sometimes think people have made inaccurate remarks here (maybe myself included), but they are posted as opinions only, hence the name of the forum (and this is only "a forum" No publisher should take anything as fact here, without doing their own due diligence first). Most remarks are opinions and responses based on either already published remarks, articles, interviews, and quotes or formed opinions based on someone's actions. I do think when someone is posting something from Eringer's blog, they should be very "careful" to claim it as that, which they usually do. I recognized long ago many things Eringer was writing could very easily be considered libel. Eringer seemed to be just testing Albert to see how far he could go, or see how much Albert would take..I guess he found out? If Einger was someone to take seriously, he would have been much smarter than that. I still don't think anyone could get in trouble for reposting Eringer's libelous remarks here, but I do think people need to consider the source and know what constitutes libel and what doesn't. Also there are a lot of differences between Eringer and the people on this forum...like Eringers relationship to Albert for starters. Seriously anyone writing and publishing an article on anything we say here should be smart enough to double check their facts for their own record...seriously, half the time we even supply the information that can directly lead them to the resources. Albert and Charlene both should have known what to expect here since they had always been more than eager to supply the media with all the fodder they needed six years prior...with all their own desperate self promotion in trying to play out in the press what should have been a personal and private relationship, never mind how creepy and insincere it all is . What did they think people were going to think of a relationship, where a women completely lives off of a rich older billionaire prince for six years...where she has been trying to turn herself (with the Palace's help) into a celebrity for it...or even worse a princess--a title that is meant to be if not HONORABLE at least RESPECTABLE: . How did they think the press was going to treat them? People who use tactics to intimidate, also stand to put themselves at legal risk.
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Post by sandsla on Sept 17, 2011 0:28:08 GMT -5
The prince was very quiet about his relationship with her.... ...."England, well Charles married Camilla, whom is an Aristocrat. William married Catherine, who has a MD. And, Belguim, well, he also married an Aristocrat. So, they know what to do and how to. The rest of the princesses who were commoners before their marriages, they all have a degree and if not (MM) she has been taking classes. They are really intelligent women and have worked very hard to be accepted and liked!! They have learned the languages of the countries they adopted. They have been humble and they have spoken to their peps. The princes have been by their side, none of them have said (except Charles with Di) : "do you think this is your soulmate? - well... hmmm.... i am not sure .... " So, basically Charlene has a lot of work to do, and she does not seem to care to do it. Now, this might change when she understands that she either straight up her act, or she will be history! JMHO :-) Hello spies!!! I understand the point of your post and I agree mostly with what I think you are trying to say, but I think Camilla was probably never really considered an aristocrat...at least not suitable marriage material for Charles at the time. I know Charles kind of took off, and Camilla married someone else while he was gone, which she would have known took her out of the running if she ever held out hope that she would be his wife. I think she thought mistress to Charles was about the best she was going to ever do. Also I am pretty sure Kate's degree is not an MD? I don't remember what they actually call a four year degree there, but I think that is all she has, but I think Kate was smart and a good student.....Charlene will never be either Charlene is not willing to make an effort without a payoff first, and now that she has got the pay off there is absolutely no reason now....in her mind to have to exert herself or better herself in anyway, not just for herself but for anyone...including Albert and Monaco. Great posts everybody-I have a bad habit of reading posts from the most recent to older posts I missed and I start posting without reading the older post first. Anyway there are very good posts here and I think we all appreciate how much work and energy you put in here myadia, but i also know how you feel, about just how much energy these people are worth. It is funny to think that anyone should worry about what is posted on a forum? The problem these two have is much bigger than any forum could provide for them, even ours. Trying to get rid of forums is not going to change a thing for them, because they have always been their own worse enemies.
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Post by sandsla on Sept 17, 2011 1:51:24 GMT -5
;D I actually became interested in these royal forums because there was something about Albert's investiture July 12, 2005 that really intrigued me and I really felt that this was a man who was deeply concerned about his country and his people. I saw a man who lived in the shadow of a great man - his father - who now genuinely wanted to succeed as Monaco's new Sovereign. Thus, I genuinely wanted Albert - and thus Monaco - to succeed. Year after year, month after month, I slowly realized that Albert did not have the convictions to succeed at what he presented in his investiture speech. I have no doubts and I have made my feelings perfectly clear - supported with tons of evidence - that Albert imposed one of the biggest con artist on his people - the former Charlene Wittstock now Her Serene Highness Princess Charlene of Monaco. As we have seen with everything else - in time this truth will be hugely publicly revealed. Albert has shown himself to be the Village Idiot of Monaco and I am steadily losing interest in Monaco. Thus, I am spending less time researching and sharing information. Which also means, that playing silly games with the child-like woman Charlene and her flunkies is not a battle that I tend to fight - simply because I do not have to. Karma has taken care of this woman and will continue to. My life has drastically changed over the last year - I have a renewed sense of what things are truly important in this world - and a plastic dumb-as-a-rock narcissistic con artist doesn't even register in it. The irony is that unlike most of the other boards, photos are not the crux of the discussion on Royal Opinions. Most of the other royal forums will cease to exist if they don't have their glossy photos to drool over. Many of the members who post here have formed their opinions of these people on substantive things - beyond the clothes, jewelry, figure, hair styles - all the things that we call LOOKS. Our opinions are mainly based on people's own words, their own actions, their own behavior and of course their attitudes. So any one trying to shut Royal Opiiners up by restricting photos are barking up the wrong tree. MyAdia My sentiments exactly, and it's a shame Albert threw away the good will of people who were eager to see him and Monaco succeed, and many here were once actual supporters of Monaco. Albert instead threw in with the low lives concerned only with their own interests and at a huge costs to himself and Monaco. No woman could ever have any interest in supporting a man or place who is so clueless as to just how much they have insulted woman, especially his own mother. I was thinking the same thing about the pictures, in fact I think I told you myadia that I didn't see why anyone at the Palace would go after you for posting exactly what they were trying to put out there themselves...picture of their weddng? I was thinking the same thing when I started reading your post--it seems rather odd for them to go after the pictures that serves their purpose much more than it does ours . I guess they want us to spend more time on posts raking them over the coals. ;D
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Post by sandsla on Sept 17, 2011 1:53:34 GMT -5
I am one of those joiner-but no posters. I just have nothing interesting to say! If it is a choice between having the board alive and well, or having it shut down then fine, leave it for posters/members only. I think this board is important as an archive of before and after photos of Charlene. And of lies versus truth. I cannot get over the lie propagated by the palace that she qualified for the 2008 Beijing Olympics. Lies by official organizations shock me! This is an entire country we are talking about, and a ruler with actual power and influence. It is a matter of many peoples livelihoods. Not simply a question of 'when will Charlene get another awesome tiara?' I do think that lurkers, like immigrants before citizenship, have a currency, a value. These are people late to the party, but who still want to join, once they find out how rockin' the place is. Kudos to you, Myadia for standing strong. This is a very nice posts...see you do have something to say. Welcome SMF!
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Post by hibou on Sept 17, 2011 14:35:44 GMT -5
I agree Sandsla that when making a statement from another blog people should say where they are getting their info. I am one who reads Eringer and because of the nature of his blog and the fact that Albert's people have sued him, I think we really need to say something like, "it's been posted or it's been reported on Eringer's or even Eringer wrote" that way once the source is identified it becomes evident that the poster here is basing an opinion from another source, and that they the poster is not the one making the statement as fact, just opinion. JMO
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Post by paca on Sept 17, 2011 16:04:16 GMT -5
Why? I don't remember Eringer giving us the courtesy of mentioning who did translations for him. I think he is the last person who can complain about getting his info taken. He is taking it from us all the time and from others.
Anyways I agree with those who want this place to stay open. IMO a lot of recent articles have been greatly inspired by this forum and the info we collected, be it by registered users or the odd journalist cruising the net for info. If trashy and her flunkies don't like what they read here, then there are several options: don't read here or change what is being criticized. I recommend to put learning French on top of the list, preferably to the level that Maxima has managed to learn Dutch, which IMO is harder to learn then French.
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Post by hibou on Sept 17, 2011 17:11:45 GMT -5
Why? I don't remember Eringer giving us the courtesy of mentioning who did translations for him. I think he is the last person who can complain about getting his info taken. He is taking it from us all the time and from others. Anyways I agree with those who want this place to stay open. IMO a lot of recent articles have been greatly inspired by this forum and the info we collected, be it by registered users or the odd journalist cruising the net for info. If trashy and her flunkies don't like what they read here, then there are several options: don't read here or change what is being criticized. I recommend to put learning French on top of the list, preferably to the level that Maxima has managed to learn Dutch, which IMO is harder to learn then French. The reason for stating it came from Eringer if it's posted here is to cover one's a**. He's a lightening rod for Albert and lawsuits.
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Post by agentf on Sept 17, 2011 17:45:08 GMT -5
Does anyone really have to worry about Commoner Charlene, especially since she likely won't be there for very long? Attacking blogs might become her only legacy, the only thing she'll ever pretend to having been able to do. Such lofty aims for a "princess"! Just like her Olympic career, a false start.
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Post by emmeline on Sept 17, 2011 18:10:40 GMT -5
Does anyone really have to worry about Commoner Charlene, especially since she likely won't be there for very long? Attacking blogs might become her only legacy, the only thing she'll ever pretend to having been able to do. Such lofty aims for a "princess"! Just like her Olympic career, a false start. Haha, very true! Her legacy is attacking blogs desperatly. Welcome to the forums agentf!
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Post by agentf on Sept 17, 2011 18:34:36 GMT -5
Thank you God! Does anyone really have to worry about Commoner Charlene, especially since she likely won't be there for very long? Attacking blogs might become her only legacy, the only thing she'll ever pretend to having been able to do. Such lofty aims for a "princess"! Just like her Olympic career, a false start. Haha, very true! Her legacy is attacking blogs desperatly. Welcome to the forums agentf!
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