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Post by sandsla on Sept 18, 2011 17:39:57 GMT -5
Why? I don't remember Eringer giving us the courtesy of mentioning who did translations for him. I think he is the last person who can complain about getting his info taken. He is taking it from us all the time and from others. Anyways I agree with those who want this place to stay open. IMO a lot of recent articles have been greatly inspired by this forum and the info we collected, be it by registered users or the odd journalist cruising the net for info. If trashy and her flunkies don't like what they read here, then there are several options: don't read here or change what is being criticized. I recommend to put learning French on top of the list, preferably to the level that Maxima has managed to learn Dutch, which IMO is harder to learn then French. The reason for stating it came from Eringer if it's posted here is to cover one's a**. He's a lightening rod for Albert and lawsuits. I am sorry I wrote a giant reply here, I even lopped off some for another post ;D. Yes Hibou you are right, that is what I meant, but also if people are going to read and take this guy seriously and post something he says seriously, which I have to say really still dumbfounds me. I was just saying posting something that is libel like he does ob his blog should be careful about repeating the same kind of libel remarks here as fact, people should be careful to protect themselves if their going to take Eringer's word as fact. In no way would I ever mean it to help out Eringer in anyway or give him some kind of credit . I was strictly speaking of Eringer because Albert is not the first guy to sue Eringer for libel and win! You can see just how seriously Forbes takes him . Hibou have you really ever done any research on this guy? Something not written by him? Do you know the trail that he has left. His wikipedia page reads just like a personal resume that has his fingerprints all over it . I really love the way he has shaped his history here--the actual facts that he doesn't bother to mention should clue people into what a con man he is. I just had a few minutes the other day to take a look at it because I thought someone may have included parts of the real story--I guess nobody thinks enough of him to bother. I can't tell you how much this guy reminds me of Charlene and his history is just as fictional. Hibou, you have to read the way he tries to state something. For instance in his wiki-resume he thinks it is important to include his high school year at Beverly Hills High ;D, but notice how he skims over his actual college names and experience? Notice the years he includes or more correctly doesn't? But then he goes on to say he did a graduate program from USC in the UK? He doesn't look like he even has a four year college degree, so how did he do a "graduate" program? He is careful nit to say he actually has a degree, but he implies it. My guess is he took a course abroad that is open to anyone for a sum of money through USC. I have plenty of these same type of courses on my own resume from places like Cambridge and Oxford, but it does not mean that I hold a degree from either of these colleges, nor do I pretend that it does on my resume, but you would be surprised at how many people latch on to things like that and act more impressed than they should be. This is how Eringer gets a way with stuff--he over states and over sells and people are eager to believe what he implies or his half truths about being connected to legitimate people, and people want to buy in. If he had a graduate degree, or a college degree, he wouldn't feel it was important to include his freshman High School year...or even his college degree if he even had one, on his wikipage? Is there a reason he should have a wikipage--just like Charlene full of self importance and willing to go on record with what is more than exaggerations about themselves? Look at how he mentions his job status w/o mention8ng the result or the trouble that always ensued after, or why he was fired from these jobs? Notice how he mentions that "MOST" of the "libel suits against him" were dropped. Read what his past employers or people he has dealt with have to say about him when you just dig a little? Read how he had a personal vendetta against some Santa Barbara sheriff or someone like that and how he tried to use that little Santa Barbara paper as his own personal blog to exact some vendetta on him much like he has been doing with Albert now. Eringer was promptly fired from the paper....wrongly of course? It was all in his sad story about being unjustly fired from the papaer? I am sure the SB courts were familiar with Eringer and knew what his lawsuit was about--you don't need to know his history to understand what the lawsuit is about--all you have to do is read it! That is if you can get through it! Hibou please read his lawsuit, expecially before someone had him try to clean it up? Keep in mind what the lawsuit is for, and ask yourself why he would risk looking like a moron to include that drivil that has no bearing on his case? It is not just diplomatic immunity that the case was dropped--Santa Barbara had "no jurisdiction", why would they? It is the same stupid thinking of Tamara? Eringer should be smart enough to know that, but he wants a megaphone and a way to embarrass Albert enough to not only get back at him but hopefully it is not worth Albert's trouble and money and easier to pay him off to go away, and that is why Albert's lawyer called it extortion--that is what any intelligent person would take it for. Eringer exploits everyone and that is what he uses to write his books after about by some unknown publisher. Why would anyone hire him to do spywork when he has done nothing but sing like a canary not only about what he has done, but he always greatly exaggerates his involvement and his own importance-he is forever patting himself on the back with every word he writes or every word out of his mouth....just like Charlene. This is a guy with a huge ego that jumps at anything that makes him feel important...just like Charlene? It is clear how much it meant to him to hold his little job title that someone gave him, or that he invented himself in Monaco. I am sure Albert and his people probably thought sure buddy whatever floats your boat to make yourself feel important--we'll even throw in a little badge for you to flash around. People who actually hold any importance do not need a badge ;D....if they're that important, people tend to know who they are? Obviously his little job working for Albert was VERY important to him, or it made him feel very important, and it has obviously been very painful for him to let go of that identy he had created for himself which sounds just like the women in Alberts life who start feeling entitled to the gravy train and refuse to leave when someone finally shows them the door, usually after they have more than worn out their welcome. Eringer had to be shown the door twice, and he still wouldn't leave. All the trouble he is causing Albert keeps him connected to Alberts's world just like Nicole tried to do? He would have been the first one pregnant if he could have managed it. I really don't know why he would want to include the Forbes article as a feather in his cap, when they are making fun of him. I didn't read his version since I didn't trust anything annotated by him. He is hoping I guess that no one actually reads the article and will just remember seeing his name connected to Forbes and it will legitimize him in some way. Anyway I could fill up threads about why I think this guy is such a weasel and a low life, but people don't do their homework and they see his name attached to others in some way and on that alone they seem to want to give hims some legitimacy, until they find out about him what the last guy did? To me this is what Albert's responibility and libelity is here.
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Post by hibou on Sept 19, 2011 15:53:55 GMT -5
Sandsla, in the beginning of his blog two years ago he mentioned his grandfather was a friend of Albert I. His grandfather was a brilliant businessman. His grandfather built the economic structure for Albert I. Has anybody ever wondered what Eringer lives on? His father was a successful cartoonist for Disney and an artist, but Eringer seems to have plenty of cash. How many people can sue Albert and pay all those legal fees, etc. My theory has long been that he has shares in SBM. His father retired to Monaco. With Monaco hemorrhaging red ink, and SBM now doing the same, if I owned shares I'd want to remove the idiots there too. The lawsuit is not about the money. It's about something else (besides exposing Albert). Do I really know who he is, no, but then I don't know who anyone really is on any blogs where I read or post. I just do it for fun, and I almost always add JMO to most of my posts.
If anyone else has info on Eringer, I think it would be fun to find out the whole picture. His blog certainly attracts some odd bloggers which makes it fun to read, and most of the time his blogger followers want to get rid of Albert or have interesting things to say about espionage etc. So it's just a fun place to read. He is a fiction writer and some of his stories are fun to read. How much truth or fiction appears on his blog or his Q & A who knows. He certainly has gotten under Albert's skin one way or the other. Is it art following life or life following art?
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Post by kitti on Sept 20, 2011 1:29:52 GMT -5
I'm afraid I am also a new member who has only posted a few things on this board, and I too am still learning about this family with great interest, from all of you who are in the know. My comments are pointless compared to the rest of you, so I read with great interest what you all have to say. If you feel that you need to close it off to us members who post just about nothing, then I fully understand, and have no problems with that. I have to say that you all have so much knowledge about this family, it is honestly, really hard for a me to give a reply....and I am sorry for this, so, I guess you could call me a lurker. Please everyone, keepup all your good work.....you all do so well with all of this cheers, Kitti
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Post by MyAdia on Sept 20, 2011 5:08:45 GMT -5
I'm afraid I am also a new member who has only posted a few things on this board, and I too am still learning about this family with great interest, from all of you who are in the know. My comments are pointless compared to the rest of you, so I read with great interest what you all have to say. If you feel that you need to close it off to us members who post just about nothing, then I fully understand, and have no problems with that. I have to say that you all have so much knowledge about this family, it is honestly, really hard for a me to give a reply....and I am sorry for this, so, I guess you could call me a lurker. Please everyone, keepup all your good work.....you all do so well with all of this cheers, Kitti Welcome Kitti! Kitti, please understand that a lot of what we have is an OPINION - and so do you. So, please feel free and welcomed to voice yours about anything that is posted - anything. It can be a simple - "I agree," "I don't agree," "That is beautiful," "That is ugly," or just "Thank you." Of course, there is alwys the non-royal discussion where you can discuss ANYTHING. So, welcome again Kitti. IT is really good to hear from our lurking members even if it is just to say that you appreciate us. Trust me, that means a lot.
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Post by kitti on Sept 20, 2011 5:36:17 GMT -5
thanku MyAdia, I appreciate your words, and yes, I will add my comments, but please understand I know nothing compaired to all of you, but gosh, it is just so interesting reading your comments.....my knowledge about this Royal Family is growing, I can assure you. I hope all will be well for you and this forum.....it's wonderful!! as I have previously told you all, our news down here in Australia, about this family, is very limited. cheers, Kitti
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Post by hibou on Sept 20, 2011 12:30:23 GMT -5
Sandsla, in the beginning of his blog two years ago he mentioned his grandfather was a friend of Albert I. His grandfather was a brilliant businessman. His grandfather built the economic structure for Albert I. Has anybody ever wondered what Eringer lives on? His father was a successful cartoonist for Disney and an artist, but Eringer seems to have plenty of cash. How many people can sue Albert and pay all those legal fees, etc. My theory has long been that he has shares in SBM. His father retired to Monaco. With Monaco hemorrhaging red ink, and SBM now doing the same, if I owned shares I'd want to remove the idiots there too. The lawsuit is not about the money. It's about something else (besides exposing Albert). Do I really know who he is, no, but then I don't know who anyone really is on any blogs where I read or post. I just do it for fun, and I almost always add JMO to most of my posts. If anyone else has info on Eringer, I think it would be fun to find out the whole picture. His blog certainly attracts some odd bloggers which makes it fun to read, and most of the time his blogger followers want to get rid of Albert or have interesting things to say about espionage etc. So it's just a fun place to read. He is a fiction writer and some of his stories are fun to read. How much truth or fiction appears on his blog or his Q & A who knows. He certainly has gotten under Albert's skin one way or the other. Is it art following life or life following art? For the record: A troll has taken my quotes here and posted them to Eringer. I know what I read when he first started his blog. Did I keep a record of it. No I'm just not that into it. I have said once before I post for fun. It's not longer fun, and frankly things here are getting pretty boring. Now that my daughter is off to college, I've got other things to do.
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Post by emmeline on Sept 20, 2011 12:59:22 GMT -5
Please hibou, do not disapear! It's true things are getting boring, but it's always calm before the storm begins.
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Post by countess on Sept 20, 2011 13:32:18 GMT -5
welcome kitti aww hibou, don't go or at least come back and visit often, we can't do without your insight and comments. the non dynamic duo has always been boring but we're not (hugs)
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Post by royalpauper on Sept 20, 2011 16:39:09 GMT -5
Easy Hibou, you should know by now that Sandsla doesn't like anyone who threatens or say something mean about her little Albert. She didn't mean any harm to you....
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Post by scout on Sept 20, 2011 22:04:55 GMT -5
Hibou, please don't leave. We will all miss you if you do. Also, I think that we are just around the corner from the blank hitting the fan and you don't want to miss it. Emmeline, like your signature photos. You have captured the essence of Charlene and her likeness to Gollum exactly. She wanted her 'precious', she got it, and now we will see how long she gets to keep it.
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Post by bobolin on Sept 20, 2011 22:18:46 GMT -5
Hibou, I love your comments!! Do not leave!!! :-( You should have your daughter write here as well :-) Congrats on her graduation :-)
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Post by agentf on Sept 21, 2011 5:25:36 GMT -5
@sands:
I know for a fact the wiki page you mentioned was done by someone with no real experience in or overwhelming inclination for doing those things, and that in the interest of being factual, insisted on proper timelines. Anyone can edit it with info that can be referenced. In my opinion, it's always nice to prop an underdog when a firing range is aiming at him or her.
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Post by sandsla on Sept 22, 2011 1:00:18 GMT -5
@sands: I know for a fact the wiki page you mentioned was done by someone with no real experience in or overwhelming inclination for doing those things, and that in the interest of being factual, insisted on proper timelines. Anyone can edit it with info that can be referenced. In my opinion, it's always nice to prop an underdog when a firing range is aiming at him or her. Eringer's page just seems to be very self serving, and reminds me very much of Charlene's? ;-) Which one is the underdog? ;-) I agree but I am honestly just being truthful :-) Welcome Kitti! Hibou, you know how much I enjoy reading your posts--I just happen to tag on to your post also in response to Paca. I seem to be the odd man out here, but Eringer just reminds me so much of Charlene's and Albert's women that I did check around a little into his past history with a simple search on the internet and he doesn't seem to have a lot of credibility, not in my book, but I seem to be the odd man out here. Personally I find his writing suspicious and his reason or need for writing a blog very odd? So, prompted me to want to read up on him--I believe in considering the source? I understand the entertainment value of it for people but people seem to take him very serious, which was hard for me to do after I read his filed court case. I read what I could find out about him....what people had to say about him that he that he has worked for or been involved with. Hibou, when I asked you if you had actually researched him. I was serious (curious)--I wasn't trying to just make a jerky remark. Since you like to read him I thought you might want to know more about him if you have never had the chance or time to read up on him or how he is viewed by some people that he makes a lot of claims about? I know I don't have time to read up on everyone myself and rely on others here sometimes--I just happened to want to do a little investigating on this guy since he thought he had a lot to say and touted himself as an expert and important person there and with a superior knowledge? As I mentioned before it's easy to read "what Eringer" has to say about himself and his history, but I really think he embellishes, overstates and twists things to read just the way he hopes people will interpret them. I have never read about his grandfather and Albert I, thanks for mentioning it, I'll see if I can find anything about it if you're interested, i think I am now. I do have a nice book (the original hard copy) on Monaco that Albert I helped the Author, Adolphe Smith write, rather he was happy to participate and help give his assistance to producing this book. It' not only on Monaco's history, but it has to do with the problems at the time regarding Monaco's economic and social and political policies, as well as including information on Monaco's involvement in the arts and sciences, etc. Actually it's the first book that was all encompassing on Monaco, so maybe I can find a little something there that would mention Eringer's grandfather's involvement. If you're interesting in looking at the book also I posted a digital copy on TRF once. I should probably post it here too, because it has a lot of material in it and is a good resource. I found it at the digital UCLA Research Library for someone who was asking a few questions about Monaco's history on TRF, so the link is probably also easy to find on TRF on a short history thread? IT is just that reading up on Eringer he just reminds me so much of Charlene and like her he's his own worse enemy in his own actions and words? I realize I have a unpopular opinion here, but I am just a little perplexed why people champion him for doing the same thing we rake Charlene and the other women over the coals for? He may have a good emotional take on Albert, but then he seems to have his own emotional problems or he wouldn't be so obsessed with a rather silly vengeful blog--he can't think that makes him look good? It's not how many people would conduct themselves? Hibou, I know who Eringer's dad is but I don't see how that is that relevant. Because I doubt his Dad by industry standards (Disney is notoriously cheap) amassed that much wealth that he could really afford to support his son and his lifestyle--If Eringer was such a silver-spoon child you would think he probably would not be so insecure about his wealth and importance in the world--he really seems to have something to prove! I just think he a big poser! ;-) Hibou, please don't take my remarks as a personal assault-I would miss you as much as everyone else. I'm "always" "only" talking about the "specific subject" and it has nothing to so with who is saying it. As you have told me before I can be quite pointed:-). I am truly just being sincerely honest, and you know that I am one that is never afraid to speak up to pose another view if I think it's justified. RP, as far as Albert goes, I just do not see everything as black or white alwyas, and where I think he has been incredibly stupid in many things, it doesn't make sense to me to criticize him or anyone across the board and with a blind eye. I personaly don't feel comfortable chiming in about his problems with Monaco's economy, because really who else is doing better? Not us, and certainly not Europe, and Italy next door is just a disaster waiting to happen? A place like Monaco is always going to get hit in a bad economy, but then Albert being seen supporting his mistress....in what did she call it "her privileged lifestyle" for six years and tossing a fortune away on a fake PR wedding is totally insane? I can fault him for that and all that entails, but Monaco's economic problems are probably in reality not any worse than those around him? I just think it seems kind of silly to insult hime for everything under the sun for no reason? When people gripe about him taking his private plane? He is a head of state and a member of royalty, in comparison to what another head of state has to spend, or even most nobodies-it is nothing? Al Gore probably tops him there? When someone mentions why Albert is not at some climate conference for the pacific ocean it just doesn't make much sense to me? It just seems a little irrational to try to find fault with every single thing, because then the things that do matter that ring true get lost and discounted. RP, I am just defended myself here, and trying to explain my point of view! I know you meant it tongue in cheek! ;-) I enjoy your posts too! I really hope no one gets offended or takes what I say to heart--I don't mean anything in a very serious way...it's always just the subject matter that I'm talking about and I'm just opening up some things for debate and stating my own "honest" opinion about them. Hibou, i didn't mean to bring you down or be so heavy;-). Hang in here, even just to talk with us, even if Monaco has become a bore! :-)
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Post by hibou on Sept 23, 2011 13:13:55 GMT -5
Guys, it's probably the push I needed to get on with things here. Let's face it Albert and Charlene are just not interesting, although I will say it's interesting seeing Caroline taking on more of the first lady appointments. In fact I don't think we've seen this much of Caroline in years.
Any way Eringer has moved on from Monaco. We will never really know why he chose this moment to move on. He certainly had a lot of dirt on Albert which is why I read over there. Until I read what he was posting, I didn't think my opinion of Albert could get any lower, but after his blog exposing what he had on him, well, my opinion is worse than even I thought imaginable. I will tune in from time to time, but I do need to move on to other things. I enjoy all of your witty comments and brilliant observations. Sandsla just gave me the shove I needed to remind myself to move forward. Believe me if anything astonishing happens with these two, I'll keep my eye on you guys!
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Post by royalpauper on Sept 23, 2011 20:45:02 GMT -5
Sandsla I agree with you, Albert can't be blamed for everything. If I had a private jet i would probably fly everywhere with it...even to a supermarket. Seriously, he can't be blamed for everything, but he sure made some stupid decisions/mistakes. In my opinion he has no clue what is going on around him. He just goes with the flow and if shit happens he blames everyone but himself. Look at what he ended up marrying after decades of "searching", and look at the disaster of his wedding. For one year he was blabbing about it and showing his fiancee to anyone who wanted to look and listen. Now that the shit had hit the fan, he is firing anyone in site and has sent "the Monaco's flag ship" to hide.
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Post by Elektra on Sept 25, 2011 17:57:35 GMT -5
Wow! I have been away for a couple of weeks - no internet. It was quite relaxing for a change. Bad thing - I even forgot my password to this board. So I really emptied my mind of a lot of information. But I am really amazed about what is happening here. I am still in the process of catching up, so forgive me if I repeat what has already been said.
First and above all - thanks MyaDia for still running this forum!
My opinion on closing the board to visitors: It would be a pity because people like me would never come across forums like that by accident.
I find the whole issue more than suspicious. Why go after a forum like ours? Because we questioned a "wedding of the century", a "dream wedding" or a green prince? Because we do not believe in fairytales? Are they so desperate in Monaco? Why are they so nervous?
My answer to those very nervous palace squatters in MC: If you do not like negative comments on your beloved prince and his saintly wife, don't let them run wild, don't let them pollute our globe in the pursuit of their very private limousine life style.
I am so tired of people like PA who spent a hundred times more resources of our planet than I do but dare to lecture me on increasing my efforts of saving energy.
I am so tired of filthy rich people who live in countries like Monaco because they do not want to pay taxes. But at the same time use a infrastructure that is only available because other people paid taxes.
I think Monaco, Albert and his beloved wife are the flagships of this hypocrisy. And I have the unalienable right to have an opinions on that - at least in the so called free world.
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Post by lilae on Oct 1, 2011 16:46:28 GMT -5
Well, I'm not surprised that pressure has been put on proboards to harass anyone that criticizes the Monaco noble family. Remember what happened to the Monegasque man that played the organ in the Monaco cathedral? He went to jail for creating a blog that criticized his prince. Being an American I strongly support anyone's right to express themselves, even if the opinion offends me and I don't agree with it. ..... Yes, I remenber. MyAdia, I agree with you about visitors restriction. About sharing photos, it's one of the only way people have to stop Rpyal Opinion. So I think we have to be carful. In Monaco, some guys don't like people who don't read sugar boards.
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